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Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:59 am
by stevieturbo
5+6 are just a mirror of 1+2

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:27 am
by MGFMINI
Thanks Stevie,
Will change things around a bit pin wise and give it a go

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:43 am
by MGFMINI
Just out of interest what are the gains from running non sequential over sequential....as trying to get my head around why you would want all the injectors injecting out of phase to their respective cylinders? sorry if that's a stupid question

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:07 am
by katana
There are no 'gains' mechanically speaking - wasted spark / non sequential is easier / cheaper to engineer / build. Fuel economy and emissions tend to be worse especially around idle up to cruise speeds. Sometime 'wetting' the inlet tract can help on the non firing cylinder but you tend to inject sub optimal quantities each time as one clearly gets injected and ingested with dregs of the non injested one that wasn't so allowing AFR's to vary.

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:32 pm
by Rob Stevens
stevieturbo wrote:
Rob Stevens wrote:Weard, so why would the sensor position change with the S series.
S series can run missing tooth anywhere

P series cannot. Pretty sure P must be less than 90deg.
Yeh I know, but this is the same engine, same flywheel, same sensor physical position and the S series demands the sensor position be moved by 180 deg. Do you see what I'm saying?

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:39 pm
by Rob Stevens
Craig, remember in sequential mode the injector per cylinder fires just once every 2 revolutions, in batch mode it fires every revolution, as mentioned above it won't make much ods on a race car as when on full power the injectors are open nearly all the time, so moving that pulse around won't make much odds. but at idle and cruise can save fuel and run nicer.
My own K series is now sequential and idles beautifully and I have been able to save loads of fuel in the map, on the road I imagine i've improved by 3-4 mpg

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:16 pm
by stevieturbo
Rob Stevens wrote:
stevieturbo wrote:
Rob Stevens wrote:Weard, so why would the sensor position change with the S series.
S series can run missing tooth anywhere

P series cannot. Pretty sure P must be less than 90deg.
Yeh I know, but this is the same engine, same flywheel, same sensor physical position and the S series demands the sensor position be moved by 180 deg. Do you see what I'm saying?
Maybe it was never right on the other setup ? Or maybe there are some changes not documented ?

As for batch vs sequential.

If you have the dyno time to fine tune the sequential, it may yield gains. That'd be a lot of work to optimise fueling and injection timing though to try and find them.

But as Rob says, in batch firing say a 1000cc injector twice ever 720, no matter how you look at it, it will spray far worse and be less controllable at lower rpm's vs the same injector fired only once per 720.
So sequential is definitely better for larger injectors.

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:49 pm
by MGFMINI
Thank you, appreciate your help and learning all the time

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:56 pm
by MGFMINI
Well after another couple of weeks of head scratching and frustration....
The engine would not run properly, double checked and reset cam timing and valve lifts amongst others, then engine started ,but could not seem to get it to run very well, long story short I went back through the maps I had loaded into the ecu and noticed that somehow the ignition map which was in the map that came when I bought the ecu (Used) had somehow copied across to the map I had been working on (which is odd as the fuel map was from a different map) and was miles out....I thought Eureka ! as had a moment of clarity, so spent a few evenings copying the settings across from a map I had from Rob so knew was good.
Was excited to load this and try it.....Could not believe it when the engine would not start..and no way it was going to

After more trial and error I dashed into Euro car parts and picked up a standard ford Zetec tower coil tower for a ford Fiesta , replaced the existing MSD coil pack and changed plugs....and now runs great, think a lot of the trouble I have had was the MSD coil pack from the start....Grrrrr.

Can anyone recommend a decent coil pack and grade of plug to use with it on a rover k series 1.8

Thank you

Re: MSD coil pack

Posted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:34 pm
by stevieturbo
The best coil pack is one that works....and you seem to have that now.