Strange engine judder between 2000-1700 RPM

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Re: Strange engine judder between 2000-1700 RPM

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Dayle wrote:Anyone got any good pointers for this air temp was -1 this morning.
not without knowing your current settings ;) more often than not, in the start fuelling, open the graph, click flip and make it look like a gradually steeper mountain in the far corner _____/\_____ :D

1c more than me yesterday...who else likes winter for free charge cooling? :D
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Re: Strange engine judder between 2000-1700 RPM

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Yep. No two engines need the same amount of startup fuel. It's all down to experimentation. OEs spend months tuning startup fuel alone. Especially with engines using plastic intakes that can blow apart if the motor backfires during cranking.

It can take a while to get all the startup scenarios covered as us mere mortals don't have access to variable temperature engine booths!
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Re: Strange engine judder between 2000-1700 RPM

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This is what we have now it's what Jon put in our modified map, even with the standard DTA start up map doesn't like cold mornings it can often be 5 minutes we have to sit in the garden In a morning with the foot feathering the throttle or it dies or even driving if you press the clutch it can just cut out the engine until around 50 degrees,, any help much appreciated
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The start up map for my race car needs 400% for the first few turns, to see just 50 is an eye opener.
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Up until the last week temp dropping below 10 degrees that actually fires the car, again it does start be it, it doesn't like to idle cold
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When John sent the map up it was 50 all across I had to change it to 80 and 70 for the car to start,
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Re: Strange engine judder between 2000-1700 RPM

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What firing tooth are you using on startup (it's in general engine settings)?

A little more timing on cranking might help. If you're on tooth 1, try 2 or if you're on 2 already, try 3 and so on (up to 5).
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Re: Strange engine judder between 2000-1700 RPM

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^but beware of backfires and stuff.

my clunky old shed's roughly this at 0c:
10turns 300
20 100
30 75
40 33
50 10
100 0

with a global water comp of 35ish for that temp and i'm tps with map comps. i suspect map as load would have me start with a lot lower numbers obv (gonna be 100kpa before i crank isn't it lol)
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I don't have a map sensor it's tips for everything. I'm still learning all this so sorry for being a mither but suppose we all have to start somewhere

Firing tooth is currently set to 0 could this be the problem do you think ?

Also cool on time and injector start pulse what do these doo
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I have attached the current engine map for people to have a nosy through if you are bored on these cold winter nights!!

Any help or modifies hints and tips etc would be appreciated.
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